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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.
Again.
And CCP lets them stay.
And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Consider me unsubbed.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:55:00 -
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abitrubbish wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting. Again. And CCP lets them stay. And its directly because you cant afford to ban them. Absolutely disgusting. Consider me unsubbed. Can't believe it took so many pages. Oh, bye.
It has nothing to do with pages in a thread, it has to do with CCP's inability to manage their company.
Eventually there will be either no goons, or no server. SInce the game is free, my toons will be here as long as yours, if not longer.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:17:00 -
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Quote:Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions.
I never posted anything of the sort.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:22:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:Wait, why would they roll anything back? 5T is a drop in the bucket of the EVE economy. Lotta herpa derp in here.
Because if they don't it will cost them real world money. The same people that are quoting how many subs the goons have can't do the same math? Its an error in the six figure range of real cash.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:50:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jones Bones wrote:Wait, why would they roll anything back? 5T is a drop in the bucket of the EVE economy. Lotta herpa derp in here. Because if they don't it will cost them real world money. The same people that are quoting how many subs the goons have can't do the same math? Its an error in the six figure range of real cash. dear cipher jones, noted expert on math ccp does not allow you to pay for subscriptions in isk it allows you to pay someone else isk to pay for your subscription in real money hope this has been helpful your buddy weaselior
CCP finally released subscription numbers in May and admitted they are down tens of thousands of subs. In your world of advanced corporate maths I'm sure its somehow great to have less income and devalued currency.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:55:00 -
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Quote:Oh really? Then why do they, through meticulous research, skill, and intelligence manage to pull one over on the entire EVE community AGAIN AND AGAIN?
By overtly violating the EULA.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 20:19:00 -
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Lord Jita wrote:Cipher Jones wrote: CCP finally released subscription numbers in May and admitted they are down tens of thousands of subs. In your world of advanced corporate maths I'm sure its somehow great to have less income and devalued currency.
erm.... Quote:CCP has send me new EVE numbers, they look good, 361k subs, so they can celebrate their 9th anniversary knowing they are back on the rise. http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2012/05/mmodata-charts-v39-in-works.html
He even used the words "back on the rise". The page that you linked me to has a chart that says they are still down subs even after the new information. Thanks.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:47:00 -
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Harrowedsmiley wrote:Hats off to the Goons, they did the research and therefore get the profits.
Much like Enron.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:this whole thread is tl:dr (did read the OP though)
so we have 1) Goons being Goons, finding a loophole in the system, and exploiting it to the nth degree 2) CCP patches Loophole 3) Goons make post of what they did 4) Pubbies cry that Goons exploited a loophole in the coding and rigged the markets, calls for bannings with thier pitchforks and torches. (ie. typical Thursday Evening in EVE online)
did I miss anything? :) suprisingly most pubbies are pretty amused rather than outraged
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:36:00 -
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gulftobay wrote:Now that the 'pro' GSF team is here, any thoughts on what would be a reasonable solution to this mess?
Taking the ISK back as already stated by a dev. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:19:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:gulftobay wrote:Now that the 'pro' GSF team is here, any thoughts on what would be a reasonable solution to this mess?
Taking the ISK back as already stated by a dev. What ISK?
I dunno, maybe read the *snip* thread.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:53:00 -
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Pisov viet wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:corestwo wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote: it just seems on the level of ppl that could duplicate minerals at a POS. It only hurts the game, I'm not a fan, sorry.
Yes, "taking the existing game mechanics to a significant but legitimate extreme" and "abusing a bug that allows your towers to continue to run and produce ferrogel even when inputs are no longer present" are totally the same thing. The only people I've seen use the word legitimate are goons and people supporting their argument. Unfortunately for them, CCP has not used this word. In fact, they're using anytonyms of legit. Not a good sign goonies /o\ The only people I've seen use the word abuse are goon haters and people supporting their argument. Checkmate, atheist.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:01:00 -
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Quote: Pot, meet kettle.
Kettle, meet pot.
That's a load of horse ****. There's a world of difference between saying something you know will **** someone off, and saying something you know will **** someone off intentionally without reading the thread. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:30:00 -
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Quote:Because I actually read the post of Sreeg, and he talked of "manpulation", not "abuse".
CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:36:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Are there bugs that are not usage of game mechanics? It was working as designed. Not working as designed would be a bug, this wasn't a bug. Pr1ncess Alia wrote:I doubt it was a knee jerk reaction. It was a follow up to a public company statement about a security investigation, probably had several CCP staff review it, stamp it. Dignitaries of dignitaries and that sort of thing. It's all rather complicated.
They do that type of thing all the time for legit gameplay. Oh, you know how CCP works now?
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:We know the end result, which is an ongoing investigation and ISK deletion. How can you delete that which hasn't been created?
Ask Sreegs, hes the one who will be deleting the ISK that was not created.
Also, you can stop saying ISK wasnt created. Its a strawman arguement. Items were created. CCP cant delete the items (without backlash) because the buyers of the items were not all in on the abuse.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:46:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Dramaticus wrote:Delete created isk that wasn't created using exploits that arent actually exploits
Duh Because it's not an exploit until CCP says it's an exploit and this isn't an exploit because CCP has not said it's an exploit. Therefore CCP will not label it an exploit because it isn't one because they haven't labeled it as one.
The word you pick for it is arbitrary, in this case "abuse" instead of "exploit". Again, the end result is the same no matter how much you try to rationalize. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:48:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Dramaticus wrote:Delete created isk that wasn't created using exploits that arent actually exploits
Duh Because it's not an exploit until CCP says it's an exploit and this isn't an exploit because CCP has not said it's an exploit. Therefore CCP will not label it an exploit because it isn't one because they haven't labeled it as one. I see we've reached the end of our discussion, if you're unable to comprehend an exploit as something with more meaning than "a thing CCP has said is an exploit". Ahh well, worth a shot.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:00:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Lord Zim wrote: So why should this be treated any differently from when people were insurance frauding like mad for isk, and actively adding isk to the economy? Why should this be treated any differently from when Pax Amarria was refinable into nocx? Why should this be treated any differently from when tracking titans were used to take over tech moons?
Or, were anyone banned for either of those activities? Got their ISK deleted? Any reactions at all?
It is relatively pointless to try to argue with cipher jones: as you have seen he's not really capable of responding with a reasoned argument or even understanding one. He will simply repeat until hopefully those long words go away.
Quote:By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
It was an "argument" prior to that post, whining afterwards.
As far as handing out punishments, I have no ******* idea why you are asking me why CCP treated prior exploits with a lackadaisical attitude. I would assume it has something to do with the fact that they almost went bankrupt due to loosing subs and their investors told them to fix their game or they wouldn't extend the loan. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:27:00 -
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Aryth wrote:It's more than that. To justify seizing everything, and even assets unreleated to FW, they have to be saying, using their own game mechanics, and the design they were repeatedly told was bad, is an exploit. That is what is so chilling about it.
This isn't the CCP of 2 years ago. Sonyfied CCP is not the CCP we know and love. They are something different now. It wasn't until it hit PCGamer they took actoin.
The CCP of 2 years ago couldn't pay it's bank loan.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:51:00 -
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Quote:A game mechanic is legal as long as it's not labeled an exploit.
And CCP reserves the right to do anything they want to your account at any time for any reason, just like every game EULA.
The same people crying in this thread are the same people telling me CCP will never enforce said rule in other threads.
Quote:'cause when the fry dies down what the **** you gonna do Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:57:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:A game mechanic is legal as long as it's not labeled an exploit. And CCP reserves the right to do anything they want to your account at any time for any reason, just like every game EULA. The same people crying in this thread are the same people telling me CCP will never enforce said rule in other threads. "Then they came for me, and nobody was left to speak up for me." ~ sun tzu
The difference of course is that you bitches never spoke for me. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:39:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Xython wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:one day goons are going to cure cancer And the publords will ***** at us for causing a population crisis. What's funny is that in certain pubs, being a goon gets your face punched in. And as Lord of the Pubs, I hereby end this post by hoisting a pint of fine, brown ale to the devs.
****. I wish I had a job were I could **** up twice, keep my job, and be toasted for it. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 01:19:00 -
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[quote]You'll hear "Their actions are legitimate" from lots of non-goons too, you know.[quote]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 01:49:00 -
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Haquer wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:and you're not qualified to discuss the matter because anything you type is hearsay Pack it in boys, the things that we heard straight from the people this happened to is hearsay.
That's what hearsay is you pubtard, a second hand story.
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Posted - 2012.06.24 02:04:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Haquer wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:and you're not qualified to discuss the matter because anything you type is hearsay Pack it in boys, the things that we heard straight from the people this happened to is hearsay. That's what hearsay is you pubtard, a second hand story. we're still waiting for you to tell us when your account lapses after your 20th "I'M UNSUBBING" post
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Posted - 2012.06.24 02:14:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:
we're still waiting for you to tell us when your account lapses
after your 20th "I'M UNSUBBING" post
Show me 2 and I'll biomass and send you my assets. Here is one. Cipher Jones wrote: OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.
Again.
And CCP lets them stay.
And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Consider me unsubbed.
One threat to unsub is all you should need. What is with this arbitrary "2 posts to unsub"?
Because 1 is unequal to 20. Just wanted to prove the douchebag wrong publicly again.
Don't worry tho, my "power of 2 alt" will be here for you for another 120 days or so.
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:08:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:I love this thread. It is adding to my do not read this persons post file. The forums are so much better now that the tinfoil hatters are crawling out of the woodwork to be placed on that list.
Thanks Goons. Feel free. Apparently smacking goonswarm over the head with a giant purple dildo has improved my standing in eve as one of eve's preeminent comedians. I'd like to thank my fans for their kind words and evemails. I will, however, point out that the one from paint suggesting I 'dye in a fryer' might have done with a bit more revision before sending. Or perhaps less vodka. Graic Gabtar wrote:From an interview CCP gave: Quote:Asked whether the players have to deal with any consequences of the case said Peter, "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden. Thus, it is unclear what will be done. " Yeah, CCP Sreegs already addressed that, suggesting that we use the interview as toilet paper. Cipher Jones wrote: That's what hearsay is you pubtard, a second hand story.
Cipher, you might want ot consider not casting aspirations on other intelligence if you don't realize that he's talking about people giving first person eye witness accounts. While your definition is right, it's clear his point has warped to zero past you.
I realize hearsay is irrelevant to arguing with Sreegs, and that CCP does not need to hear first hand testimony when they have the logs, and that they will never give us said logs. EVERYTHING else is hearsay. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:19:00 -
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Quote:That always seems to be a problem with folks who threaten to unsub. Their accounts don't run out until people have forgotten they ever threatened to unsub.
Hyperbole is a sin, you guys.
Whats a problem is people don't know how to use the ignore button. I honestly don't give 2 ***** what Joe Poster thinks about the relevance of my sub. I know god damn well what CCP thinks of it because their C.E.O. gave a speech apologizing for their mismanagement and begged us to stay/come back. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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